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	<title>Comments on: Brute force attacks against WPA/WPA2 using Nvidia cards</title>
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		<title>By: ZeeLaG</title>
		<link>http://www.mckeay.net/2008/10/10/brute-force-attacks-against-wpawpa2-using-nvidia-cards/comment-page-1/#comment-6280</link>
		<dc:creator>ZeeLaG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 18:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok you can take off the cost that it takes for the Elcomsoft’s software. cause you can get it for FREE!!!! but illegally free. but if you going to get a software the cracks passwords and use it for illegal purposes than what is the point? so just get a good enogh computer with good amout of RAM and a Great GPU and youll set..


Software is always FREE but when it comes to the hardware.... that when you have to PAY!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok you can take off the cost that it takes for the Elcomsoft’s software. cause you can get it for FREE!!!! but illegally free. but if you going to get a software the cracks passwords and use it for illegal purposes than what is the point? so just get a good enogh computer with good amout of RAM and a Great GPU and youll set..</p>
<p>Software is always FREE but when it comes to the hardware&#8230;. that when you have to PAY!!</p>
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		<title>By: Orion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Orion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 13:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s true that right now this is such a big deal, 

but what about abut custom build FPGA boards , those are relativley simple to build and should decrease time considarebly??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s true that right now this is such a big deal, </p>
<p>but what about abut custom build FPGA boards , those are relativley simple to build and should decrease time considarebly??</p>
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		<title>By: Elcomsoft&#8217;s Smoke &#38; Mirrors &#124; The Tech Mango</title>
		<link>http://www.mckeay.net/2008/10/10/brute-force-attacks-against-wpawpa2-using-nvidia-cards/comment-page-1/#comment-3935</link>
		<dc:creator>Elcomsoft&#8217;s Smoke &#38; Mirrors &#124; The Tech Mango</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 00:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] one keen commenter pointed out, the reality and sheer mathematics behind it is mind boggling. WPA2 can be 63 characters using [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] one keen commenter pointed out, the reality and sheer mathematics behind it is mind boggling. WPA2 can be 63 characters using [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Martens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Martens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 18:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>100-fold speed up is just under a factor of 2^7. So this is like reducing a 256 bit key to 249 bits. Not a big deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>100-fold speed up is just under a factor of 2^7. So this is like reducing a 256 bit key to 249 bits. Not a big deal.</p>
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		<title>By: windexh8er</title>
		<link>http://www.mckeay.net/2008/10/10/brute-force-attacks-against-wpawpa2-using-nvidia-cards/comment-page-1/#comment-3598</link>
		<dc:creator>windexh8er</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 12:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin,

Basically!  Schneier ran a post this morning about it as well. The jist is - weak passwords are weak. The 100 fold increase doesn&#039;t really buy us much, unless minutes are crucial. 

--windexh8er</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin,</p>
<p>Basically!  Schneier ran a post this morning about it as well. The jist is &#8211; weak passwords are weak. The 100 fold increase doesn&#8217;t really buy us much, unless minutes are crucial. </p>
<p>&#8211;windexh8er</p>
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		<title>By: Network Security Blog &#187; Doing the math for WPA cracking</title>
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		<dc:creator>Network Security Blog &#187; Doing the math for WPA cracking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I didn&#8217;t have the time on Friday to look deeper into the real time requirements to hack a WPA password using Elcomsoft&#8217;s new tools.&#160; I knew the time needed was considerable, but I didn&#8217;t realize exactly how long [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I didn&#8217;t have the time on Friday to look deeper into the real time requirements to hack a WPA password using Elcomsoft&#8217;s new tools.&nbsp; I knew the time needed was considerable, but I didn&#8217;t realize exactly how long [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ElcomSoft ar NVIDIA grafiskaj?m kart?m var uzlauzt WPA un WPA2 wifi t?klus &#124; Pods.lv</title>
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		<dc:creator>ElcomSoft ar NVIDIA grafiskaj?m kart?m var uzlauzt WPA un WPA2 wifi t?klus &#124; Pods.lv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] V?l šo to intersantu no t?klu droš?bas speci?listiem var palas?t mckeay.net blog?. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] V?l šo to intersantu no t?klu droš?bas speci?listiem var palas?t mckeay.net blog?. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So basically, what you guys are telling me is that unless someone is a complete idiot when it comes to securing their wireless network, this shouldn&#039;t make one whit of difference to them.  If they&#039;re an idiot, this still won&#039;t make a difference.

Martin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So basically, what you guys are telling me is that unless someone is a complete idiot when it comes to securing their wireless network, this shouldn&#8217;t make one whit of difference to them.  If they&#8217;re an idiot, this still won&#8217;t make a difference.</p>
<p>Martin</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Theory:
63 characters using lower case, upper case,numbers,symbols, provides 94 choices for each character. if I use a 63 character password, that 63 character password could be one of 1.9 * 10 ^126 possible choices. If you want to have a 100% chance of brute forcing this key in one year one would still need to execute 6*10^118 trys a second. 

Implementation:
  It would be faster to attack the 256 bit hash as this only has 1.1*10^77 permutations. So if one could issue 3.6 *10^69 commands per second one could guarantee a break in one year.  Lets assume that it takes 10 flops (floating point operations) to test one key. As of August SETI@HOME is executing an average of 150 terra-flops (150*10^12). Therefore one would still need ~ 2.5 *10^56 SETI@HOME projects to break one key in one year. 
The most efficient computer uses 2.8 watts per GFLOP. Therefore it would take 2.5*10^59 watts to break one key.  Since the average usages of power for all people on the planet is 15 TW we would need 1.5*10^46 times the current power output of the planet to break one key. 

I think my key is safe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Theory:<br />
63 characters using lower case, upper case,numbers,symbols, provides 94 choices for each character. if I use a 63 character password, that 63 character password could be one of 1.9 * 10 ^126 possible choices. If you want to have a 100% chance of brute forcing this key in one year one would still need to execute 6*10^118 trys a second. </p>
<p>Implementation:<br />
  It would be faster to attack the 256 bit hash as this only has 1.1*10^77 permutations. So if one could issue 3.6 *10^69 commands per second one could guarantee a break in one year.  Lets assume that it takes 10 flops (floating point operations) to test one key. As of August SETI@HOME is executing an average of 150 terra-flops (150*10^12). Therefore one would still need ~ 2.5 *10^56 SETI@HOME projects to break one key in one year.<br />
The most efficient computer uses 2.8 watts per GFLOP. Therefore it would take 2.5*10^59 watts to break one key.  Since the average usages of power for all people on the planet is 15 TW we would need 1.5*10^46 times the current power output of the planet to break one key. </p>
<p>I think my key is safe.</p>
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		<title>By: windex8er</title>
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		<dc:creator>windex8er</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, my bad...  Max is 63 characters for WPA!

And here&#039;s another good reference (scroll to the end and read the @$$ covering section if you don&#039;t want to read the other stuff):

http://www.renderlab.net/projects/WPA-tables/

I haven&#039;t seen any of my clients using WPA PSK -- so big corporate espionage is relatively unlikely.  Most use a PEAP solution from what I&#039;ve seen.  If a business is using PSK they better have a darn good reason to be doing so!  Considering I won&#039;t even do it at home...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, my bad&#8230;  Max is 63 characters for WPA!</p>
<p>And here&#8217;s another good reference (scroll to the end and read the @$$ covering section if you don&#8217;t want to read the other stuff):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.renderlab.net/projects/WPA-tables/" rel="nofollow">http://www.renderlab.net/projects/WPA-tables/</a></p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t seen any of my clients using WPA PSK &#8212; so big corporate espionage is relatively unlikely.  Most use a PEAP solution from what I&#8217;ve seen.  If a business is using PSK they better have a darn good reason to be doing so!  Considering I won&#8217;t even do it at home&#8230;</p>
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